HSBC Auto Finance discontinued its operations (at least in terms of issuing new car loans) in August of 2008. Based on a review of several consumer complaints, I’m willing to bet that decision didn’t result in too many tears from anyone other than the employees who lost their jobs.
HSBC, who specialized in sub-prime auto loans, closed shop in 2008. SubPrime Auto Finance News reported the story like this:
“The company discontinued new auto loan originations from dealer and direct-to-consumer channels in July 2008 and is only originating branch loans until a third-party provider can be found. The portfolio amounted to $11.5 billion at the end of September, down nearly 12.5 percent year-over-year, and the portfolio will continue to amortize over time,” executives said.
HSBC broke the news like this:
HSBC has made the decision to exit the Auto Finance business in the U.S.. As a result, HSBC Auto Finance will discontinue offering auto loans to its customers effective August 6, 2008.
However, HSBC Auto Finance will continue to service and collect on its existing portfolio of customers as their loans mature.
It doesn’t appear as if HSBC closed its lending operation directly because of customer complaints. The auto finance element of the Household Bank empire was just flat-out losing money, apparently. They decided to cut and run to focus their attention elsewhere. Now, one could argue that all of the consumer noise made things so tough that it led to things gettin’ ugly, but I’m guessing the decision had more to do with the overall economic picture. Household HSBC Watch was on top of the story a year ago and provided some information from an unnamed source that summed up the HSBC plan with respect to that little chunk of the massive Household Bank empire:
This is nothing new for HSBC, closing units that continue to lose money. We will see, as HSBC continues to focus on the mortgage business. The same day the NY Times said that the subprime mortgage crisis has finally hit bottom. Hope this works out for them.
Okay, let’s get the laughing out of the way right away. They moved away from car loans to focus on the ultra-lucrative subprime mortgage industry, huh? I think we can all probably guess how that worked out for them! Talk about going from the frying pan right into the fires of economic hell, huh?
As it turns out, HSBC Auto Finance may have deserved to die. Every big finance company gets its share of complaints, but those who have a problem with HSBC offer some compelling arguments.
The guy who was getting eight phone calls a day after answering HSBC’s question on the first call paints an ugly picture of the outfit’s customer service (and listening comprehension skills). Though his complaint eventually sort of dissolves into the histrionics that so often accompany consumer grips, this criticism of HSBC isn’t/wasn’t rare. I found several people saying the same thing about the way HSBC’s fingers did the walking a little too often.
RipOffReport features no less than 45 complaints for HSBC Auto Finance. I bet you could find others there by using “Household Bank Auto Finance” or other variations of the company name. While many of the complaints are the usual whining by people who failed to make their payments on time and just don’t like experiencing consequences for their actions, others are pretty persuasive. By all accounts, it looks like this operation wasn’t ran spectacularly well.
I’m sure that the loss of a subprime auto lender wasn’t too exciting for all of those “we’ll approve everyone and/or his pet cat” auto lots out there, but I’m pretty sure that more than a handful of people were happy to see them leave the sector. And it still cracks me up that their master plan was to double down on the subprime mortage industry in 2008. Ouch.
HSBC Auto Finance: Gone… but hard to forget!













in regard to your post on hsbc auto finance, i started getting calls yesterday , 11/24 2009. with 4 calls from them. they asked for someone that i don’t know. i told them its a wrong ph. #. i recieved 3 more calls yesterday, then today they continued i answered the first today and told them i’m the wrong guy. i still recieved 4 more after that today.with 2 of them in a 20 minute span. i’ve never heard of that company untill i got these calls. i have never financed anything with them. but the calls still continue. my question is” how can i get them to stop ? thanks” richard johnson
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dianne reply on November 28th, 2009:
Okay…
According to the fair credit act they can not badger you through phone calls. You can call your phone company and tell them you are getting harassing calls from the number (get them all) and ask that they be reported. You can go on and manuaaly add them as a blockage too. I would further record in transcript form a letter to hsbc.
Or don’t put work into it, answer the calls, and good luck
I financed a vehicle through HSBC Auto 3 years ago. At that time I was employed and making decent money. I kept my payments current for 30 months and then I was laid off rom work. My payments fell behind and of course HSBC began to threaten reposession. In the meantime I discovered that no lein was ever recorded on the title which I have in my posession due to a mixup by the dealer which sold me the vehicle. Now HSBC wants me to sign a power of attorney authorizing them to place a lein on the vehicle. What should I do ?
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dianne reply on November 28th, 2009:
Dave
If you have a lein that is clean it is their mixup not yours. You should not fix their problem. They WILL NOT FIX YOURS. They can badger but you do not have to sign anything.
You can sell the vehicle and they can not do a thing. It is a clean title. Seek an attorney, but I wouldn’t sign anything.
Dave / NM reply on December 7th, 2009:
Thanks for your opinion. Yes, I have a title that is clean with no leins. I have been informed by HSBC that they have charged off this account, whatever that means. I am still unemployed and have no way to pay for this auto. My credit is shot anyway. I am considering filing bankruptcy IF I can come up with the money to do it. You’re right, HSBC is not going to fix my problem and I am not going to fix theirs unless I am forced to by law. Let them take their stimulus money and fix their problem.
David R. Lampsen reply on December 12th, 2009:
Dave–
I don’t want to dig into the details of any one individual’s situation, but I did want to take a minute to wish you all of the best as you deal with HSBC and the other challenges you’re facing. We’re all in this together and we’re all rooting for you!
DRL
Dave / NM reply on March 16th, 2010:
Thank you to all who have replied to my original post regarding HSBC. As of 3/15/2010, HSBC has not repoed my vehicle. I still get occasional telephone calls, but still haven’t seen the repo man.
I own a motorcycle that was wrecked a few months after purchasing it. The loan amount was about $12,000. The insurance company paid HSBC Retail Services about $6000. HSBC sent me a Release of Lien stating that the loan has been PAID IN FULL. and that the note was canceled. Now 2 years later they have sold this debt to a debt collection agency. Why are they still asking for money if i have a letter stating that it was paid in full? The debt collector is threatening to sue.
what can I do?
Additional information
I sent HSCB a dispute letter, and i also sent copies of the Release of Lien to the credit agencies. I am also about to file the Release of Lien with the local court house.
I feel like if HSBC still wanted money they should not have sent me this Release. If this is a error on their part they should not be perusing me for it.
Also my father is the one with the bike he assumed the payments. The debt collectors are willing to settle for $4500. – edit
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Ellen reply on January 27th, 2010:
Cynthia,
Hsbc is trying to collect money everywhere they can.
If you have the release of lien, collection agency has no right to bother you. You can easily sue them
If you need more help I will gladly assist you.
I have persdonal “affection” to this company.
All I can say is “Thank God and Greyhound Their Gone”… We fell behind in payments with them due to a lay off..long story short..they did some illegal practices with us which cost much out of pocket money on our end (too long to give details)..but it involved demanding a Western Union after I had already set up a draft..the guy (A Mr. Morgan) tells me that the draft has been cancelled, and I need to send the money immediately through WU..so I withdraw the money from my checking account to make the payment that it is so imminent I make..they get the WU payment and draft the account anyway…resulting in checks bouncing, fees left and right from the bank and the businesses..etc..costing us even more money we couldn’t afford to be dishing out. I saved all my information and receipts..sent them a long letter with copies of everything and was amazed when I was reimbursed the lost money, down to the penny..what I should have done was taken all my information to a lawyer and sued them for all the trouble they put me through with their lies and ILLEGAL demands! It is ILLEGAL to demand a payment from anyone when there is an extra charge to send the payment..as in WU fees…I only wish I had known that at the time.
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I currently have an auto that was financed with HSBC. We purchased the vehicle in 2005 and have 1 more year to pay on it. I made my payments this way—–split the monthly amount into 4 payments since my husband got paid weekly. The total amount was paid in full BEFORE the due date EVERY month! Well, because we did it this way, they marked our account on my husband’s credit as late or not paying as agreed. When we argued it, they told us we need to be paying the full amount before the due date to keep from having a negative report made on our credit. I didn’t understand this since the amount was paid in full EVERY month. Then I started getting phone calls. Then the letters started coming with our statments. It told us that our vehicle would be scheduled for reposession and that we had a balance short amount that needed to be paid. We argued it and even took it to an attorney. Amazingly, once an attorney got involved, the issue was resolved and we no longer had any problems! I’m just glad to see them go! Hopefully the company that now has my account won’t treat us as badly!
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Kim reply on May 6th, 2010:
Kim – I too had an auto loan with one year to go. HSBC sold it to Santander. If you think HSBC is bad you haven’t seen anything yet. I was notified by HSBC that they had already sold my loan to Santander and I could no longer make payments to them. I was told I would be receiving new payment info from Santander. Took them a couple months to contact me and according to them I was suppose to log onto their website and use my HSBC account number to make my payments! I was suppose to know this how? They had already scheduled my car for repossession. I paid the amount they said I was behind and I am still getting calls from them every hour beginning at 7:30 every morning. They are much worse than HSBC ever was!
I have to join in with the complaints regarding HSBC and Santander.
My husband and I just paid off our loan with Santander, but they have yet to report it to the credit bureaus ( since they only do this every 30 days), we are in the process of purchasing another vehicle, but we are not trading in the one we just paid off. The new lending company wants proof that the car loan has been paid in full before completing our new loan, as well as a letter stating that the loan was sold from HSBC to Santander since our credit report still shows HSBC as the leinholder. Apparently the credit bureaus only update lender information 3 times a year.
I contacted Santander informed them of the situation and requested that they email/fax the necesary information to me so we can complete the purchase of our new car.
I was supposed to receive the information via fax on Saturday, received nothing, I was supposed to recieve an email this morning, received nothing.
I called back a third time and Santander informs me that it is against company policy to provide proof that a loan has been paid off before a 30 day hold has been completed since I mailed them a personal check that cleared my bank 2 weeks ago. I called them at the beginning of the month and told them I wanted to pay off my loan and asked what was the best process and they said mail us a personal check with a payoff quote.
In addition to this nonsense, the letter I need stating that the loan was sold to Santander is not available. Santander refuses to provide that information and says that I need to contact HSBC. HSBC states that they cannot provide that information and I need to file a dispute with the credit beaurs.
In the meantime, I have a nice brand new car sitting at a dealership that I custom ordered and no way to pay for it because these two banks refuse to provide the necessary information showing proof that my loan has been paid in full.
I cannot believe that these companies are allowed to do this to people. They take our money without question and call us if we are one day late on our loan, etc.
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While I was deployed to Iraq in 2007 my insurance lapsed and I was unaware of it. HSBC found out and added their insurance to my car note (which is in the contract), however, the contract does not stat how the insurance is collected. What HSBC was doing was paying the insurance then putting the remainder of my payment to the car note. The whole time they never notified me of the situation. All of my payments are and were made on time because I had my payments on an allotment which means HSBC gets paid out of my check before I do. When I got home I was trying to reconcile the issue and they were being extremely rude threatening repossession and threatening my military career. They would harass me on my cell phone at the weirdest hours and they would call me at work. They disclosed my private information to my commander without my consent. They refused to honor the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act. When JAG got involved on my behalf HSBC sold my account to Santander and they are following in HSBC’s footsteps. I bought the car for $12.500 and three years later I still owe over $10,000. Every time I thought I was getting a little lee way I would deploy again and have to start over. It is sad to say but I am glad I am not the only one with these issues.
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HSBC had a pretty good auto refinance department and was a pretty good option for non-prime customers to refinance their existing car loan. Most other companies were “prime” only shops, so those people paying 20% on their loans, but were good paying customers didn’t have much in the way to get a better rate on their car loans.
Many customers were able to slash their rate by 1%-5% and save $70 per month. It’s too bad this company shut down when HSBC decided to divest itself of car loan market in the US.
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My mother purchased a car via HSBC financing. He loan was sold without her knowledge. The new company extended her loan for 3 years. When she called for a pay-out amount they told her that she will have to pay the interest that would be accrued for the entire duration of the loan even though she is paying it off early. Under the original agreement her car should have been paid off in March 2011. There was not an early termination of loan clause in her original purchase agreement. Is this legal?
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Dave / NM reply on November 1st, 2011:
If it’s legal…it shouldn’t be.
It’s the beginning of the end of the system as we know it. There are alarms sounding all around us. Some people hear them. Most people don’t.